Franco Santoro, when he talks to you, has the conviction of an essay and the smile of a child. Both things appear in the eyes, in the smile.

At the Casale in Lunigiana and around the world he brings his seminars on astroshamanism, practice developed after years and years of work on himself and experience of spiritual practice at Findhorn.

We hear about astrologers all the time. Quantum astrology, humanities, etc. Franco's work is shamanic in the sense of pure transformation.

And if in some cases the understanding of the zodiac sign becomes something to which one clings, the language of astrology should instead be a tool to contact the energy of which we are bearers, give us other additional tools to know how to "use", direct, to orient ourselves.

We talked about this, and much more with Franco: from toxic relationships, to time, to the beauty that will take us elsewhere. Literally.

A child asks you what astrology is. What do you answer?

Astrology is a language of its own. It has value to the extent that it is used; It is quite different to talk about astrology, and in that case we are in a metalanguage. I deal with pure language, with all the energy symbols that astrology brings with it.

Experience is always the indispensable premise. If I had a child in front of me I would not start telling him that the word "bread" is a masculine noun, singular etc etc. because I know that it would actually connect him when he bites it.

Being human. What does it mean?

It means being conglomerates of energies, containers through which many energy flows pass. We are not unique organic entities. Things change if we start to perceive ourselves like this.

What is the relationship between human beings and time?

Within the human paradigm we are inevitably in an illusory perception of what reality is, we are within a conditioning towards time. This is the condition of third dimensional reality in which we identify ourselves with a separate body. A paradigm based on separation can only be toxic.

In your writings you have addressed the issue of toxic relationships. If we live a relationship with someone who stabilizes us, takes us away from the center, the solution is to remove it?

If I distance myself, if I keep a lukewarm measure towards this person, do I really solve it? Or do I miss the opportunity to have a union experience? Take the case of a passionate relationship. If I feel this passion being born and I pull back I do not explode the reality of what is totally there. I ignore an important space.

How to move from this third-dimensional mode in a practical way?

We always take the example of a relationship that also gives moments of pure joy. I know it will end. But this is true in this type of reality, because in the reality of the fourth dimension the moments of pure unity, of unconditional and immense beauty, those cannot be lost, those exist and go to feed further beauty. It's a challenge, a workout. Really stop believing that what is pure can end.

In many cases the human lives on wheelies. For example, I close a toxic relationship, I go on a diet, I buy purification products. Illusion?

Total, based on separation. These are all products that derive and feed this system. They feed the separation paradigm.

Explain this effort from the third to the fourth dimension and the function that beauty plays in this passage.

Beauty is a portal that can always be opened . If it opens I can't go there only you or only you, but it always becomes available. We live the experiences with this body and it is from this that the neurosis derives. We cannot think that they exist beyond and we remain enclosed in the third dimensional system.

What do you think of all the gurus or shamans or spiritual salesmen who praise possible changes, revolutions of ages and consciences in this given historical moment?

I find it ridiculous. And totally tied to a linear vision of time . It is ridiculous to consider these times as exceptional and it is something that is created for market reasons. It is a stimulus that generates a false and useless, counterproductive urgency.

You speak of the third and fourth dimension and I can think of artisans, musicians from southern Italy, simple peasant friends who would not even know how to organize this information but who marry completely and concretely act that way of experiencing beauty ...

Oh, in many traditions these things are not recorded . We do not talk about this but we hear it. They are the wisest, only that the silence of words is around and the experience has value .

At one point you decided to "come out" and propose what you do. How do you live all this?

I do not naturally feel spontaneous, my tendency is to put myself on the same level and derives from a false humility with which I had to deal. When I receive good feedback I have confirmations on the value of what I bring, but I hold very much in consideration the negative ones. In general, I regularly review what I do.

Do you consider yourself a master?

I can be a master of those who give me this role.

Can you tell us about Findhorn?

Findhorn is a reality whose beauty lies precisely in the fact that it is not given to the individual who is given directions about a specific practice to follow. We have the opportunity to understand who we are, we are supported in this, without receiving prescriptions of any kind.

It is an environment that supports, a place of gestation, a sort of placenta. The people who find themselves there are driven by will rather than by the need to share some ideology.

In conclusion, if we live beautiful experiences with this body, is it a treasure that we implement a real revolution?

The spirit is conveyed through the experiences we have in the flesh . And of these experiences it is so important to treasure, thank them, bless them. The challenge is not confining them, subjecting them to time, not thinking about them as being lost or lost.

This makes us feel differently, it leads us to reconsider life, pregnancy, death, time. The loss is inevitable on the physical plane, but the revolution is a challenge to time and our "weapons" are the care, the treasuring, the blessing, the being grateful and grateful.